The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif);”>Hi KK,

You may have suddenly thought of a solution, but if not I need to try to get a clearer picture of the problem you outline in your October 11 2011, 12:01 AM post above. I don’t do any proper programming now, no time, and I’m not really a programmer anyway. Sadly you have been <s>pissi</s> slightly annoying the Forum’s resident expert Professional Programmer, though I’m pretty sure she is not in need of extra work anyway, so I think we are looking at improvised belt and braces or if very lucky a freeware type solution.

Have I got this right:<ol>[*]You want to use the posts in the thread containing things like academic papers, books or book excerpts, comments by you, newspaper articles, official reports, etc as the data source. (In this thread that is in fact most posts, except for unfortunate intrusions like my effort last night – sorry!)

</li>[*]You then want to be able to pull out a selection of those posts matching certain specified criteria – for instance punishment of a domestic, fraternity, judicial, military, prison, school, slave, etc. type.

</li>[*]To do this you presently envisage embedding extra data in, or in some way tagging, each relevant post to identify things like date, author, type, instrument, etc. in a format which would facilitate 1 & 2.</li>[/list]Is that a reasonable summary of your objective?

I certainly can’t see a solution with absolute clarity, but I can see some fuzzy vague hints. However, unless you are prepared to do some hard work in preparing and then editing (the editing is the time consuming bit) a copy of the thread to work off-line on your own system you’d be limited by the data already in the posts as indexing material. If you have an off line version you can embed data in each post to facilitate a more accurate categorisation.

My impression is that you probably already know your way round the source of a thread, but if not I can probably help. The tricky bit is deciding the best format for any extra material added to each post, and then getting a suitable search mechanism. The Network54 Forum search mechanism would actually be ideal if it could be directed at one thread only, but that mechanism isn’t going to be transferable as an off-line facility on your system.

I’ll await your response, and then comment further.</div>

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

Another_Lurker,

I regret that I have caused you to become drunk or worse, that I caused you have resorted to unBritish usages, whichever is the case. [P*ssed; British = drunk, American = angry.] Are you sure, it is not lack of sleep? You seem to be online all hours. I am worried you suffer from chronic high cortisol levels.

The answer to all three of your questions is “yes”.

There are commercial database and specific bibliographic software packages that would serve my needs. They cost and it would be a tedious process to cut and paste items from above into the appropriate fields.

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif);”>Hi KK,

I will see if I can come up with anything on your indexing/searching problem. No promises, but I’ll do my best.

An interesting question with regard to my use (or rather partial deleted use ) of slang terminology. First though, as you referred to my possibly becoming drunk, let me make it clear that I was NOT indicating that I was pi**ed off by your recent chiding of one of my most esteemed fellow contributors regarding her sincerely held views, but that she very well might be! However, as noted, I think she probably has more than enough work on hand already.

Now that word:

Though I stand to be corrected by others here who are more familiar with current usage, I would say that in my little bit of the UK you might still hear

• he was pi**ed as a newt or

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• I got totally pi**ed</li>

with regard to excessive consumption of alcohol. However you would probably be slightly more likely to hear

• stop pi**ing me off or

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• I’m pi**ed off with that shop</li>

indicating annoyance.</div>

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

Hi Another_Lurker

Correct – on all counts. I’m busy setting up databases actually.

I could offer a few suggestions but your “client” might not appreciate a woman’s (professional) opinion so I’d better keep quiet and leave the men to talk. I’ll be in the kitchen making coffee in accordance with my sex role.

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif);”>Hi Jenny,

Hmm, I trust you’re not linking me into this ‘a woman’s place is in the home’ nonsense! Some of the very best systems people, programmers and operators I’ve worked with have been female. But while you’re at it mine’s white, no sugar, but if you’re making any I’d rather have tea! </div>

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

I am glad I wasn’t a freshman at University of Missouri 100 years ago.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/201 … years-ago/

From the Tribune, Oct. 13, 1911: A meeting of the freshman class at MU to organize a pep squad for the annual freshman-varsity football game was interrupted by members of the sophomore class, and a brutal fight followed, which surpassed any previous unrest.

The battle took place in the auditorium of the new agriculture building and resulted in broken doors and several injuries as the sophomores overcame the freshmen using paddles, fists and superior numbers, working them onto the state farm where they again were paddled, beaten and thrown into the horse pond.

Coach Chester Brewer called the actions shameful and said he had called the freshmen to organize early for the game. MU President A. Ross Hill condemned the sophomores actions but took no punitive action.

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/ … d-1/seq-3/

University Missourian, September 14, 1911, page 3, col. 4. REVIVE THE ROD, HE SAYS Washington Boys to be “Hickory Switched.” if Bad.

Washington’s public schools will open next Monday under direction of a new city superintendent, Dr. W. M Davidson, of Wisconsin. Dr. Davidson is expected to introduce many modern methods, such as are employed in the great Middle West, which is furnishing so many pedagogues to the intellectual East, and also he means to revive an ancient method of correcting unruly boys. Dr. Davidson has no scruples about the old hickory switch, if it can be found, or any other form of paddle more accessible to the modern teacher. He says:

“A good spanking, judiciously administered, is one of the most effective correctives I know. I want teachers to make the boys understand the teachers have a right to administer that punishment if occasion demands.”

Mr. Stuart, Dr. Davidson’s predecessor, was considerably more tender-hearted and instruments of corporal punishment were laid on the shelves.

[By 1911, it seems “the paddle” had already become a generic term for any instrument of corporal punishment which suggests it was very well established at the time, in the writer’s mind if not the whole of the USA.]

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

KK Forgive me for straying in your most informative thread. You have to write a book as I mentioned before for you have done so much research. That is truly commendable.

While not the earliest use it is interesting how post secondary “normal school” teaching schools (sometimes shorter in length) might have had social club paddles that worked their way to the classroom. It is interesting how ubiquitous the paddle became here in social club rituals as oppose to the use of the hand, slipper or cane so out of favor here. Ladies must earn their bugs by swats of the initiation paddle. Second link shows paddling. A true slice of Americana from the American Way.

It may be off topic, probably is but what’s new about that with me? I hope this diversion is not upsetting some for I considered posting under Corporal Punishment on the Lighter Side but it does have a paddle reference albeit out of school. The ladies are just so irresistible. They were quite a bunch. Weren’t they? In the UK are there paddle initiation for post-college societies. It is easier to find stories about fraternal initiations but that’s not my focus. I hope you don’t think I am a pervert. I am a fan of Doris Day so that’s a collateral benefit of my research.

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The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

American Way has drawn attention to the following item which features a photo of a woman being paddled, in a gentile way, by way of initiation, while lying face down on a low table or bench. The initiation seems to resemble that of a sonority.

http://books.google.com/books?id=gU8EAAAAMBAJ

Life, 22 February 1943, page 100 (Weekly news and lifestyle magazine).

The Military Order of Ladybugs is not, as its name seems to suggest, either militant or biological. It is the fun organization of the women’s auxiliary of Veterans of Foreign Wars, patterned on the corresponding male organization, Military Order of the Cootie. Unlike the Cooties, however, Ladybugs do not enjoy official recognition by the Veterans, composed mostly of those whose with the A.E.F. in the last war.

AW suggests, if I understand him correctly, that paddling might have migrated from social organizations associated with teacher training, into schools. I have previously suggested something similar, namely that university graduates employed as high school teachers may have been familiar with the fraternity paddle and introduced it into schools.

I have found no evidence for or against this suggestion.

The paddle seems to be very much the preferred implement in USA schools. When did it first come into widespread use? I am particularly interested in early mentions of the school paddle in dated factual or fictional literature, and in official documents.

Have other cultures used the paddle in schools?

“Resemble” but not in the sorority as in posture. Girls are put in the humiliating position of bending over or assuming the position (not to be confused with the brace position). They are generally mild for the measure you measure with will be measured back to you. Jesus way of saying what goes around… THey are done clothed or in panties (knickers). They are more ceremonial as oppose to men who wear their marks (not grades) as a badge of honor (macho thing). The vampire sorority row paddling of the whiny girl posted before (by request only again) shows a severe one (tire marks from a truck) and like wise the “gentile” one for money as part of a realty TV program. On a lighter note, I assume the definition of gentile has nothing to do with circumcision.